Skeleton in the Closet

I’m not one of them. Not really. I don’t “get it.” Maybe I’m getting there. Doesn’t matter, I’m a bit too old for that.
Old? I’m 16 on the inside, 30-something on the outside and realistically on the front side of 40.

A grown woman. Should know better. The young d didn’t know any better; but evidently, the grown d was just a relapse waiting to happen.

***peeks out…doesn’t feel quite safe; but sees that there are others & decides it’s okay***

Hi, I’m d and I’m an anorexic.

I’ve been one for most of my life.
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“Hi d”
I may trigger. I often offend. oh well…

I’m starting to wonder how many grown women are just a powder keg full of relapse. You hear the words anorexia, bulimia or eating disorder; and most people think of teenagers, not grown women.

I have a condition, whatever you want to call it. TN/Trigeminal Neuralgia. When it gets pissy I’d rather be dead than chew.

This summer, it was really hot. Extreme temperatures and weather changes make it worse, (this crazy winter has sucked just as hard); and it began to hurt to eat much of the time. I then began to fear eating because it might bring on that pain. Ever dread pain? Fear the next attack? Not a lot scares me. This shit does.

After not eating much of anything but soup, ice cream, oatmeal and shakes because they are soft (and about the only soft stuff I like), I found I was not hungry anymore. My weight started to fall. Sure I could stand to lose some pounds. What woman doesn’t think that?

What I did next was probably the equivalent of a recovering alcoholic taking a drink…I bought a scale. Watching the numbers fall made me feel better. It was also the only thing I was in control of at that time.

“Welcome back d…see? You’re good at this, you’re already feeling better, aren’t you? Everything will be alright…soon, just a little more…a little more….soon….more….you don’t need those doctors who treat you like shit…you don’t need food…you don’t need a damn thing….don’t you dare look back at anything that has ever hurt you, nothing can touch you now….you’re getting stronger…..a little more….almost better…….remember how good this feels…..?”

I was just doing my thing, it came so natural to me, just getting my shit together, and mentally feeling so much better…..

I always told myself you had to have been either an abused child, have had weight issues or wanted to be pretty to be “one of them.”


Guess not. Joke’s on me.

I was far from being abused in any way. I had a good childhood. Weight issues? Not really, I was “just a picky eater.” My mom says so. *nods head* Everyone who knows me agrees. Just ask them. *nods head again* Pretty? I wanted to be a linebacker when I grew up. So no way was I one of them.

Mom tried to pry my mouth open with a spoon to feed me when I was two. I remember it. Bananas. She was worried that I would not eat fruit & veggies. I won. I’ve never eaten fruit since. Well…does pizza sauce count? Veggies? Mashed potatoes count…don’t they?

I was a good kid. I cleaned my plate. Took a few bites, stuffed most of it under the edge of the plate…chewed some more and spit it into a napkin that then covered the remainder of what was left on the plate. I didn’t like the food; but didn’t want to get into trouble, or hurt mom’s feelings…..There. :D All done…I secretly wiped the food from the table onto the plate, cleared it; and then helped to feed the younger two. Always helpful.

High School, no problem…More than helpful…when I came home from school, I watched the younger ones and started dinner. No one noticed I didn’t eat as I stood at the counter as the younger ones were fed, fast food style, and then rushed out the door to whatever sports they were playing.

I was never one of them. I didn’t go and hide behind a giant, potted plant and proceed to puke my dinner into it. I was short, no way was I delusional enough to think I was going to starve myself into becoming a fashion model. I had stopped growing by the 7th grade. So much for my career in the NFL.

I wasn’t one of them.

Never mind that I can tell you the exact number of calories in:

  • a stick of gum
  • a slice of bread or cheese (American, provolone or mozzarella), or a 1/4 cup of shredded cheese, different varieties.
  • lunch meat (deli sliced)
  • a cup of soup or oatmeal
  • a small order of fries
  • a serving of *insert many brands* of cereal (measured and put into baggies)
  • a serving of ketchup
  • a slice of cheese pizza
  • a tablespoon of butter or margarine
  • a teaspoon of sugar…brown sugar…or powdered
  • a serving of Miracle Whip
  • a flour tortilla
  • a 1/4 cup of many brands (and diet versions) of ice cream
  • a serving of Doritos
  • a cracker
  • How many servings are in a box of certain kinds of candy and the calories in each….and then count out the pieces and bag them up so I do not have too many in a day
  • On any given day, at anytime, I can tell you how many calories I have consumed….there is a constant running tally in my head and it is a crisis moment if that tally nears four digits.
  • That calculated number will, more than likely, be overestimated by, at the very least 100.

I can tell you the number of calories in any serving of any food I will eat.

Key word “will” ….I’ve always been “picky”

Just go eat a sandwich you vain bitch.

  • Vanity? Tell that to someone whose nails won’t grow. During good times, people think my natural nails are acrylic.
  • Vanity? Hell I’m about to be kicked out of Club Vic’s Sec. Ms. 36 B is now almost: “Who notices if she doesn’t wear a bra?” I am thankful a certain someone is not into boobs.
  • Vanity? At least I had white hair when I was young, because I am becoming covered with it. It’s my body’s way of trying to warm me up. Thankfully I’ve always worn arm warmers since high school during winter; now no one thinks twice about seeing me wear them. I’m glad they don’t see that I wear them indoors. I’m cold all the fuckin’ time. I dread having to turn on the air conditioning this summer. (okay..I’ll give you that one…I’ve bought a professional wax thing for home, I’d never imagined waxing my arms before)-funny story about misadventures in home waxing….maybe later.
  • Vanity? When I hear, “You look good today” I hear, “You looked like shit yesterday” I have never known how to receive a compliment.
  • Vanity? My hair is now thinner and shorter than it was months ago…hey it saves on cutting it when it just falls out. Now it is just a trim so the uneven parts aren’t so obvious.

I’ve gone back to my old hairdresser. She knows how to trim the uneven, thinning parts and make them look good.
Just like hers. I knew she would understand.

“d, I’ve known you since high school, isn’t it funny how you and I never get the flu, or a common cold? We always get the weird stuff.”

She is right. We both have had some weird assed shit. We also have been handed some damn good excuses. Maybe that is for the best, since we haven’t had to become that good at lying just yet.

Only to ourselves.

I’m not one of them. Everyone I know says I’m not.

See? Just listen to them….I do. My family says I’m picky. People say I’m short. Some stores call me Petite. That’s a little bit old lady-ish; but whatever. He calls me teeny, “His teeny girl.” My favorite uncle calls me his “little d”. He always has. He and my aunt always make sure there is something I like to eat at their house when there is a family dinner. They know “I am just picky”

They all know I’m not “one of them.” That I’ve always been this way.

It seems as if I came pre-packaged with every built-in excuse in the world. I have always been small, short for my age…so it just “didn’t take a lot to fill me up“….I’ve always “been picky“…….. and now….”I don’t feel well.” I’ve had many stretches of “looking normal” as an adult. Not hard to do when you’re short…just gain 5 pounds, it looks like 10…wear over sized clothes….I am also a master of the light layer trick. No one has ever really questioned it.

Not even me. It was just the way I have always been. I controlled the food. It didn’t control me.

Right?

When something that was once so controllable and comforting finally got out of my control….when my last coping mechanism fucked me in the ass...that was when I was forced to question myself.

My hair, my nails…and now my once muscular calves, had lost two inches. Everything had gone to shit within three months. I could not ignore that. I am not an idiot. My heart is also a muscle. Fuckin-A….My body was starting to feed off itself. Oops. Hello… Reality!? At least my mother’s blinders were still working, “I didn’t feel well” held up when she called me emaciated looking. WTF? I do not know how to receive a compliment; but can come up with an excuse on the spot for anything as to not disappoint….but I digress…

“Just a minor glitch….a momentary loss of control….it’s just my age dammit….lost it too fast….I can fix this…just eat a bit more”

I got a bit worried when, for the first time I found I could not force myself to swallow food I knew I needed…chewing and spitting it out, not just some of it, like usual; but every fuckin bite….cooking it and dumping it down the sink…..I was not hungry. I could not eat. When I finally did manage to swallow a few bites, it sat in my stomach and hurt. It was as if my stomach had forgotten what the fuck to do with it.

It had never gotten that bad before. I could always control the food. WTF? If this was fucked, then everything was. Not me. Everything.

I
didn’t
get
it
Well now what?

Then….

of course

a BPChick or two….A.K.A. the f…armerz

C, The Feline here, and Hope our frequent commenter:

They hit me, and hit me, and hit me until I was bloody with the words.

“It’s not about the food”

Okay, I gave em that much. What was it then?

I still do not know.
I do not know what made me “picky” as a small child. I do not know why I restricted throughout adolescence and into young adulthood; or why I stopped and started…again and again….and…again….

Know what?

I don’t think it’s just about body, control, love, abuse or any one of those things. I think everyone is different.

It could be a combination. It could be different each time, with each relapse.

I think it may just be my version of a bottle of alcohol.

Why do people drink, gamble, overeat…etc? Comfort? To feel good? Escape the self hate the next day brings? Courage? To relieve stress? To cope?

I don’t know. It actually doesn’t matter. Not to me. It’s too late to look for reasons. I quit looking stuff up, most of it sucked. I do think the “why” matters to the younger ones.

Perhaps if they can understand the why while they are young, they’ll not be relapses waiting to happen as adults.

By the way, I had a birthday during the time I could not bring myself to swallow anything. I woke up alone in the early morning hours…around 4a.m. What could I give myself for my birthday? “How about some damn food d? Try it again!” What to have? It just popped into my head…C had recently developed a Belgian Waffle IHOP habit. I hadn’t had them in years. I was not going to drive there alone at 4a.m., it probably wasn’t open on Christmas anyway. I dug out my old, Belgian waffle iron and a recipe. “I can do this.” I needed someone there while I tried. I knew where to go for some company at that hour of the morning. At the f…arm, my friends come from all over the world.

and that morning, I found Hope. ;)

I didn’t even mess up the keyboard that much.

*****

I hope she doesn’t mind; but this was buried deep within an old post, so I brought it out.
It’s too good to be buried.
Then I slapped some shit of my own in. As you can see, I still don’t get it, as it’s all over the place; but you can count me in.

I am one of you.

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I MUST BE A BAD ANOREXIC

I must be a bad anorexic
No pity. No looks. No stares.
My presence, of one who belongs here
Not one who’s caught unawares

I once was the perfect restrictor
My E.D.* my closest friend…
Now some days I try to remember…
And some days I even pretend…

That I’m the best anorexic
I MUST be, they’ve labeled me…
For lack of feeling something inside,
The OUTSIDE is what you’ll see!

But still my damned anorexia
Is killing my hopes, my dreams…
How far can you possibly go, my friends
When you’re coming apart at the seams?

I closed my eyes in the darkness
And raised my arms toward the sky…
And felt as one with the stars that night
As I began to cry…

I must be a bad anorexic, I thought
As I lifted my low hanging head…
“WHERE ARE THE GOOD ANOREXICS”? I screamed…
then out of the darkness….
They’re DEAD.

*ED=Eating Disorder

©Cat Ginn ‘05

*********

~No Title-Nothing~

Stare into the mirror
stand there forever
picking out flaws
the morning’s endeavor

More fine hairs
upon my arm
skin becomes thicker
I look in alarm

Piles of clothes
now lay at my feet
too ugly for them all
I cry in defeat

Clothes that I liked
Now they are torn
Scattered in pieces
never to be worn

Wiping the tears
That I have shed
I’m such a loser
I wish I were dead

I must find something
To cover the mess
that is me
I reach for the safety
of my oversized hoodie

It protects me from stares
it hides me from glances
what they see today
I’ll take no chances

I wipe my tears
and walk out the door
I look at the ground
hoping it’s me
they ignore

Beautiful
Looking and feeling
are
two separate things
but feeling, it seems…
only pain with it brings

I’m tired of hurting
I wish to be numb
I don’t need a thing
not even a crumb

I don’t want your pity
I don’t feel your hate
I don’t need that fucking
food on my plate

I sure don’t deserve
I should not want
life’s message
by now
has been quite blunt

Like everything else
that goes away
this pain will fade
to nothing
like
me
someday

It’s safe to be small
chaos and fear
are replaced
there’s only panic
when I desire to taste

It means that I long
that I want or I need
no more can I let
anything inside of me bleed

I can’t allow it
never again…
it’s not
about
just
being thin

Needing love hurts
too much
can’t you see
That the sight
of these bones
through my skin
set
me free

© ~d, 08

**edit** I added a link to some ED naming contest “winners” **

Here’s the link to the ED names.

** I personally like: Undeserving Complex or Deprivation Addiction.

I really like the “addiction” aspect. I really hate the word “disorder”


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38 Responses to “Skeleton in the Closet”

  1. (((((((((D)))))))) Wow, that is a pretty honest post there, thank you for sharing. I almost want to congratulate you, but that feels wrong. I’d rather not have you join the club, it is really no fun. But acknowledging the facts, no matter what family members say ( I dare to bet my own mother would deny I have an eating disorder) is a good thing D, find help and look into the why’ s. It does not matter if you fit or look the profile, it is the deeper pain causing this all that needs attention. We are here for you, you know that, we’ve got your back. So hang on tight and lets beat this shit together. See ya over in the pants section ;)

  2. D…This is a rare occasion. I’m speechless.
    That is right up at the top of anything that I have ever read anywhere that touched my heart and soul so deeply.
    You laid it out right on the table, my friend. Bare, exposed, open wounds and all.
    This post needs to be read by a gazillion people because you are speaking for them as well as yourself.
    I, for one, can see so much of my life in what you wrote.
    When M was a very small child, I went thru a period of non-eating. What a fabulous feeling of control. I could not control what was going on around me but, dammit, I could control what I put in my mouth. Same with cutting. For years, I had my little secret that made me feel superior and safe.
    Now, it’s my ability to isolate myself from one person or the whole world. No one can hurt me or touch me when I mentally withdraw and numb up. You know exactly what I’m talking about, too. I can control that.I have the ability to shut whoever I want out of my mind and my heart. Oh, they might not know it. They think that I’m just being stubborn, depressed, a biotch or whatever. They just don’t know my secret….the secret little world that I can go to anytime and anywhere.

    It’s all about the CONTROL. We all know that. We just don’t know how to have that control without maiming or hurting ourselves in the progress.

    d….thank you. Thank you so much for writing this. It is a brilliant post coming from a brilliant, although wounded, person. You have done a great service to anyone who reads this.

    I am grateful that you, C, alley, and Hope are here, alive, and telling the stories that so many others share but do not have either the bravery or ability to tell.

    Today….you became one of my very few heroes and I love you for your honesty and willingness to expose the monsters that scare so many of us.

  3. “It was also the only thing I was in control of at that time.”

    That is a real core to this, and I’m an “ex” anorexic, and went the opposite direction in the puffed up zone in my older years. I couldn’t eat either and it is not the food. The last few months ive been stuck on losing weight, and I need to….but it’s the undercurrent of wanting to see those numbers drop—you know what i mean here. i started showing up at the doc’s office to use their scale once a month, then every couple of weeks[recently]. Now with my Dad’s funeral, I returned and had lost 7 lbs in a week. I then get pneumonia and from a monday to friday 7 more….get where i’m going with this? in my coughing stupor, yesterday i was going to drive to weigh in AGAIN. but didn’t want to “appear weird”.

    Now, I have weight to lose. Back then I didn’t. I never could see my thin self, back then it was all distorted. My waist was a 22″ waist and I’m 5′ 8″.

    I am attempting to lose weight now with a rational frame of mind for myself, because I know those scales draw us in like honey on toast.

    This is a good post d, and I think many ppl are “hidden” amongst ourselves out there.

    I’ve been living on soup and tea. Then I get the paranoid feeling hit, that when I’m not sick, what if I gain it back! or can’t lost more!

    It’s not about the food, the weight or the health when it gets taken over by the anorexic mind [for me at least].

    I think over the years I boiled it down to wanting to control something in my life, but who knows what when I was in my teens and 20’s.

    I ate one raisen a day and couldn’t justify it back then.

    I’ve become obsessed with scales again, and havent owned one in years due to the anorexic side of my mind.

  4. Stephany, exactly what I was talking about. The adults. We “were better” Yeah, right….Just like those places that “fatten up” those young girls and send them on their way…”All better! Cured” Like hell they are!
    Like C & Hope said, It’s not about the food.

    Something happens and for whatever reasons we find out “we were never better”
    those scales draw us in like honey on toast
    No kiddin’ The scale is my weakness too. Don’t laugh, mine broke the other day, got smashed between the wall and the door. dammit. yeah…by the door, so does that tell you how many times a day I weighed myself?

    UM (((UM))) You know I don’t take compliments very well dude; and that I love you too.
    Can your comment just be added to the post? It needs to be. You said it all.

    (((Hope))) My wooden shoe clad,fellow f…armer, breakfast partner. I knew you’d be there that morning. I did.

  5. I went to the doc to check my cough after wrtiting my comment here and i weighed myself! now this is going to get outta hand. ive lost 17 lbs on the “pneumonia” diet. so then i think, damn what if it call comes back when im well!

    you know, i had no idea i was being ran by this, until you wrote about it d.

    PS this neuro doc grrr

  6. well im starting to be ran by it, i think, not have been.

  7. emailing you…..

  8. Stephany I know exactly where you’re coming from… I do…. and as excited as I am for you, getting to lose this weight….. can we please, (and I ask this with true sisterhood, refrain from mentioning numbers? It’s VERY triggering to me, who’s having keep my weight up higher than I’m comfortable with… and also triggering to Hope, who’s in the midst of a relapse who’se attempting to do the same thing. We’re fresh into different stages of our recovery…. and here’s d, who’s just admitted that SHE is into a difficult time with HER adult anorexia…. and you, as well, are admitting to disordered eating right now….. so this sort of rhetoric, knowing this information… would be considered to be “pro-ana”, should be continue this topic. I suggest we skip the mention of any numbers… weights, BMI’s, height, calories, etc…. Can we agree that these are harmful?

    If I’ve learned nothing, I’ve learned this.

    Thanks for understanding.

  9. to be ran by it, i think, not have been

    Exactly my point.
    An:
    Illness
    A major trauma or life change,
    Whatever. In Adults
    How many are slipping through the cracks unnoticed?

    A doctor will/can see it as you being sick; but thankfully,
    you know the the truth. You just said it.

    It is one thing you can control right now.
    I am not the one with the answers.
    You may be right where I am right now. *nods head* I’ve got no answers.
    Or, in the wise words of the one with the …arm,
    “I got nuttin” ;)

    Somebody will have sumpin’
    or together will figure out a plan or a clue.

    So, I emailed you….
    That’s for there; and …
    like C says
    We’ll watch each others’ backs here.

    There is a lot of other stuff I was gonna try n say now I forget.
    *sigh* (my brain is falling asleep)
    Secondary health issues that kick your ass as adult stuff,
    such as worrying about being written off as
    an “early heart attack” and you want to scream NO!
    dammit that is not what killed me?!

    **ETA***
    some adults may not know wtf “pro-ana” means
    Not sure. Just thought I’d add that.
    google it if ya don’t know

    YAY US!!! Search engine term hit for “asshole doctors”

  10. Thanks Feline, I agree, please no numbers and such. I am sorry that sounds silly maybe, but they are major triggers. And even though it is not about the food, or the numbers……..I can assure you……..well, you know.

  11. Come back here guys
    Need some explaining…..please.
    (not just you “guys”
    I’ve seen this in many places now since I’ve started lookin stuff up.)

    No, some don’t know.
    (why it is harmful)

    You guys can’t expect people to know the secret handshake when they just have found the clubhouse.

    Because now I’m really not getting it.
    Do we go into the clubhouse and lock ourselves in
    and lock out the real world and real world situations?

    So okay, ground rules can be established; but please say why….the WHY just may answer some questions really.

    Remember, not everyone gets it.

    Remember, I said I _ don’t _ get_ it

    I talk a running tally in my head.
    She talks falling numbers
    we both talk scales,
    we are the scale’s bitch.

    We have to, to admit that it is part of our life that has become nuts; but just not mention the exact number. ok, that part I understand.

    Someday, if I get this correctly, perhaps, what? Seeing a scale will send me to jump off a bridge?
    NO. But in the same breath, I cannot expect every person in my life to not mention this stuff.

    If for instance, I have a friend who is excited about losing weight, and tells me. I will be happy for her. I will not scold her for mentioning it, expecting her to know it could be a weakness to me.
    That is my problem. If I go home and CHOOSE to not eat for 3 days because of that, that is MY FAULT. Not hers.
    A recovering alcoholic CHOOSES to pick up that drink, no one forces him.
    In the end,
    No one is responsible for what we do with what we hear or read but us.

    No one can ever be better in the real world, if we isolate from real world conversation or everyday stuff.
    My God, going out in public-do we close our eyes to people
    who are *yes* thinner? I mean really, where does
    this stop?

    I will never ask my family to cater to my problem.
    It is my problem, not theirs.
    If I have a problem with “the family holiday meal” hell, I’ll just be late.
    ya know?

    Please ask nicely; and explain as well, then everyone can learn.

    The answers to the “why” that are assumed that people know, could teach others, me included, a hella lot.

    Sometimes the line between walking on eggshells and trigger seems blurry to those of us who don’t get it.
    ************************
    :(

    I am short. Deal. I cannot change that.
    I am not a trigger guys.
    If I can’t mention that, then I imagine no one’s
    recovery could ever stand the sight of me.

    Signed:
    The Mayor of Munchkin City.

  12. In my own, personal bathroom, there stands an alter. An altar that stands about 3 feet high and about ft across. I use to worship it faithfully at least 1/2 dozen times a day. Beautiful altar and quite expensive as far as altars go. I use to polishthe shine of it’s stainless still body by rubbing against it. if that didn’t do the trick, I used real polish and rags to clean it. Now, it’s stands dusty and unloved. That’s because it has become a scary monster.
    Of course, I am talking about my scales. The kind that doctor’s use with the levler thingie.It bothered me for a while that I was ignoring my god.
    But, as time went by, I acquired other gods that I would worship and hold sacred.
    The gods, over time and a lot of work, went by the wayside.

    But, I know and accept that there will always be a “god” in my life and that I must followed hit’s commandments or face damnation of some sort.
    I’ve come to the conclusion that I HAVE to pick a healthy god. …..something that will nourish me on the way to becoming whole again. If only that could happen……

    I am obsessive. I must have control of SOMETHING, totally control. Without the control and secrets that I need, I would surely perish….fading away until finally I can be seen my no one. Sometimes, I’m almost there. Almost.

    RN…it is self-imposed isolation from others. That’s not so bad though, is it? In my own hide-a-way, I have lots of IMPORTANT things to tend to. Things that do not require the presence of another person. I like it this way.In my hide-a-way, there is no pain, no disappointments, no need to worry about how other’s perceive me. I can wallow in myself.

    Only….sometimes…..I look out the window or gaze at the telephone and wonder just what in the fuck is wrong with me.
    Shouldn’t be craving human contact? Shouldn’t I need the touch of another? Why is it that I don’t want to share my ideas or opinions with people in RL?

    It’s strange to my daughters that I can come here and share stuff with you guys. She just doesn’t understand that you
    GET IT! You are not going to question me. You are not going to compare me to someone else. You are not going to demand anything of me except that I just BE.

    Of all the secret gods that I have had, I find this one, ISOLATION, the most comforting.

    I don’t know how many of you remember that movie with Shelly Long and shit-can’t-think-of-his-name, “Tell Her It’s Me”. In the movie the guy has cancer and is frightened at the thought of meeting a woman. So, he dons a wig (his hair has fallen out), motorcycle leathers, and a new accent.
    He has become LOBO! As silly as this sounds, I kept hearing a line from that movie and have actually said it to my daughter when she pushes me to be friends with someone or call some old friends. I say, “I AM LOBO. I HUNT ALONE!”
    One daughter finds this hilarious but M gets a sad look in her eyes.
    How can I make them understand that I AM LOBO. I HUNT ALONE and prefer it that way at this time.

    Sheesh…I’ve really started rambln’ here. That’s d’s job.
    My whole point of this is that I truly believe that we, BP Chicks, are always going to have a god to worship in our lives. It becomes a matter of moving away from the bad gods and trying to find that good god. The god that will allow us to have our little secret but will not maim, hurt, or possibly kills us.

    Maybe this is one time when I am not making sense to anybody but myself. But, I have this sneaky little feeling that you guys understand.

    L&L to each of you!!!!!!

    Mary Tyler Moore said it best, “We;re gonna make it, after
    all!”

    We MUST make that our mantra. We must sincerely believe that in our heart of hearts! We must…..

  13. Oh excuse me, I had no previous trigger conditions for each person posting here, so forgive my igorance in posting numbers. It was my own personal post, and never should have entered into an arena that clearly harbors hostility toward others who are assumed to not understand what drives anorexia or bulemia. I stated numbers in my story to show how bad I was distorted in my view of weight vs. height, and the new loss of weight is actually something I am excited about, considering I need to lose quite a lot more to be healthy at all, and reduce my risk of heart attack, via doctors orders.

    No idea why anyone would fathom that I would know each person’s trigger here.

    The WORD scale was mine.

    To each her own battle, and good luck with yours.

  14. Please feel free to DELETE my NUMBERS post, so that it will not remain here for future triggers for others. Thanks.

  15. We love you, Steph and I love your honesty.

    BTW…Steve Guttenburg….he was LOBO.

  16. (((((((D)))))) I am going to have C answer your questions on why, okay? See ya over at the farm!

  17. Stephany, your comment stands; as does my post, 4 digit calorie crisis and all.
    No, we won’t do it again; but
    This…is good. This is why; and my point.

    We (many adults, mostly women) don’t get it. *as in a lot of us*
    Who our age was treated as a teen…show of hands….anyone……?

    *crickets*

    Were we not raised in the mindset of: If it was not talked about it did not exist?!

    No one means to offend, or trigger or send anyone into a tailspin. How do we know until it happens?
    Illness, for Stephany and I; that and the weight loss that went with it….that led us back to (as UM so beautifully put it) our GOD THE SCALE…ended up being (at least one) of ours.(so far… ;)

    All hail that bastard the scale, or the mirror or the tags in the clothes or whatever the hell.

    We’re all we’ve got.

    So all I’m sayin is lets share what we know. Because about all that is out there
    is mostly a bunch of crap.

    A bunch of stuff for kids.
    Some of it is bullshit that does not even apply.

    It is ONLY about the food. Or ONLY about body image….
    or worse…

    “Can I have some diet tips from ya’ll? What the fuck is up with that?”
    See my hair kiddies? What’s fallin out is now growing on my body….ain’t that hot? I’m cold all the fuckin time!
    Wanna take a trip to the morgue and see some good anorexics? That’s a diet tip for ya.

    The only answers “so called professionals” seem to have is “eat” WTF?!

    No wonder I gave up looking up stuff.

    See?
    and the trigger thing…people aren’t gonna get it, ’till they relapse and know why they did.

    *sigh*
    We’re adults…I’m talking about helpin us, the ones who are the walking relapses.
    The ones who didn’t know….the ones who ….oh fuckit.
    It’s easy to misunderstand the typed word.
    anyway….

    “We’re gonna make it, after all!”
    I like that UM.

    We’re the BPChicks.
    We’re friends. We blog; sometimes badly, sometimes we do okay.
    We consider each other family; although most of us haven’t met…or heard each others’ voices.

    …and we love each other…and we love our friends, old and new.
    Love and Laughter to ya.

    Now lets laugh through the tears….
    anyone see the search terms today….?
    that guy is still havin’ some “wife issues”
    How does he keep hittin’ our blog with that weird stuff?

    Topic: Adult anorexia…..Coffee talk…discuss. (old SNL reference)

  18. I had no idea how skinny i was as a teen until I saw old clothes as an adult. and i always thought i was fat. i’m not talking numbers here, so maybe my story in itself is a trigger, then so be it, it’s a post about anorexia, with comment section open; also the post was written by D, who I was responding to, and also without knowing HER triggers, because after all she just “came out”!
    I was obsessed with a certain weight #. I had it printed on my driver’s license and then my goal was to attain it, when I was 19. then i met a friend who was anorexic, and i went along with the non eating even more. i was always being pestered by parents that i was too skinny, and i still thought i was fat.

    wanna know why?

    1. living in ca at the beach and driving behind boys cars that had bumperstickers on it saying “no fat chicks”. well, i looked at that as a literal thing, not being fat at all, it gave me a “complex”.
    2. someone saying I had a shelf for a butt, when I was a cheerleader, and it was the squad leader.

    small things like that sent me into a tailspin of warped view of my body in the mirror.

    a friend, while on a hike shined a flashlight on my ass one night, in front of other people he said, “what a great ass.”

    All of the years of hating myself, I hear this. I think no shit. no way in fucking hell?

    i started to stop hating myself. thats the true self hatred that can be part of anorexia, its often a way to beat ourselves up.

    now, with added stress and loss in my life, i felt the tap into that mode. this is why i shared here in the first place, because i hadnt felt that pull to the scale in YEARS and though I need to lose weight, am trying hard not to take this all the way back to my old self.

    i’m attempting to remind myself what i felt as a teen and accept myself for who i am now, so that i dont fall into the pattern.

    just my story, maybe it doesnt matter.

  19. Oh, and not to run this on forever, but anyone with a trigger really ought to type it here, because other readers won’t know either. Just a thought.

  20. IT MATTERS.

    No one knew.
    That’s what I’m trying to figure out too
    “the story”

    It matters.

    If we get the story,then maybe,
    as C put it, ED won’t get us.

    ((((Stephany))))

  21. well kudos to you ((D))) for sharing your raw and personal experience and be willing to have a conversation about it.

  22. (((((Stephyany))))))

    first of all, I’d like to apologize to d and to Stephany for leaving you two beautiful women hanging here…. As you may, or may not know, I have my dear, dear friend, James visiting with me…. and I’ve been otherwise occupied a bit. Out of the blue, my best friend, mutt, decided to surprise me on Friday, and show up to meet James with me on Saturday…. also, my son decided to come home for the weekend…. my husband is leaving for Egypt tomorrow…. Life seems to have snowballed on me the weekend…. I feel a bit overwhelmed….BPChicks, I’m sad to say, has taken a backseat to my life for the moment. I’ve tried several times to make it back here, as Hope has asked me to make an appearance, and I have finally just told my family and friends that I HAVE to stop the world and let me off so that I can make an appearance. I’m so sorry it’s taken me so long. So…. here I am. I stand before you humbly…. And first of all…. I’d really like to apologize to you for leaving you hanging… I’m truly sorry.

    Triggers. Triggers are funny…. We couldn’t possibly begin to know what will and will not trigger everyone…. but we CAN know this…. MOST of the time, numbers will trigger other anorexics into restricting IF they are weakened by their anorexia… or “ED” as we call him. And I, personally, am triggered BECAUSE… well, because I WANT to be thinner… I WANT to lose the weight, quite honestly WITH you, Stephany! And I can’t. I have promised to my children, that I won’t. Now… even though I KNOW, in my heart, and in my brain, that this is most likely the BEST idea…. and I know that I FEEL better, physically…. I STILL want to lose the weight. I LIKE being thinner… I like being so small that grown up clothing won’t fit me. I do. Yes, I KNOW that I”m still thinner than most people. I know all this. I’m tall, like you are, Stephany. I’m tall and thin… and with the exception of after the birth of my second child… I have always been thin. Always. But…. as with most men and women with anorexia, bulemia, ED-NOS, and other disordered eating disorders, I don’t “see” myself that way…. Even though I KNOW it to be true…. I still “see” someone else in the mirror. “The mirror has two faces”.

    as I wrote in this poem:

    the image in the mirror
    i see before me now
    might as well be udders
    and the side of a jersey cow

    for i see in that mirror
    far too much of me
    and even though i know the truth
    this is what i see

    reality is something
    that never hits my eyes
    and though you say you know the truth
    I see thunder thighs

    I do not see it on YOU
    for you don’t really matter
    all I see is all on ME
    as I get only FATTER

    I don’t know if I could ever
    look straight up and see
    someone looking back and yet
    her eyes are happy with me

    If ever someone said to me
    “You’re perfect in every way”
    I would never, ever believe
    a single word they say…

    But I can see in you, you know
    the things I can’t in me
    i hope you know you’re perfect
    I wish that YOU could see….

    ©Cat S. Ginn
    2007

    But, because I have promised my husband, my children, my best friend, my family, and my therapist that I would STAY in recovery…. because of that… I feel inclined to “recover”. Cause believe me… without that promise… without that foundation… I would not stick with it… I would not OWE anyone anything… and I would most likely just go back to what I know…. “control”… I would control my weight… because other things are out of control.

    But things are working well for me… and my asking you not to post weights isn’t so much for me…. it’s more for people like HOpe… and (even though she doesn’t know it) for d. “The Maybe of Munchkin City” needs to know, and to believe… it’s NOT about the food. It’s NOT about the weight…. It’s about the control… or the lack thereof. And once she figures that out… and believes that even losing the weight will not make or break her happiness… will not keep her on the road to controlling her life… she’ll be more inclined to seek out help.

    For you, Stephany… MAYBE you can lose this weight you need JUST for the HEALTH of it. I hope so… but I hear the way you “get into” the “taste” of it…. that feeling that you get when the numbers start to fall… you seem to understand what it’s like when the numbers fall all too quickly and how “high” it makes you feel…. so…. I wish only the best for you… I hope ED doesn’t “get” you. I truly do.

    But… when and if he does… we’re here.

    i stand at the door of recovery
    i ask for your hand, but i know
    that however much i want you to come
    i cannot just “wish” it so

    for YOUR recovery isn’t mine
    and MINE is a stumbling block
    and although I’ve been trying for years to be free
    I’m still find it’s sort of a crock

    For some days I’m the doggie…
    and some days I’m the tree
    and no matter how hard I try to eat
    some days the TREE is ME!

    And recovery isn’t about food, you know
    RECOVERY isn’t about the weight
    RECOVERY is about doing your best
    and being able to say “GREAT!”

    when at the end of my daily grind
    I can truly say
    when everything is over and done
    I tried my best today!

    And IF I looked in a mirror
    and the vision there looking at me
    didn’t end up hating herself
    then RECOVERY was working! you see?

    ©Cat S. Ginn
    2008

    With MUCH love and laughter
    Cat

  23. thanks Cat, this sure has been a good post [thanks D for it] i think it’s be a real learning lesson, at least for me, and hopefully for other readers too. i appreciate everyone telling their personal stories. the poems are really insightful too.

  24. Thank you Cat (((((((((Cat))))))))

    I’ll post some stuff here after all ;)
    Numbers……….I was not going to reply, but I can’t help but think about it, so I might as well share and hope this makes sense.

    For me, I guess it is safe to say I am easily triggered, I would not call myself a recovered anorexic even though at times I have done better, eaten better and been able to maintain a certain weight for a number of months.

    But ED is always just around the corner, late last year things spiraled out of control into a relapse. I knew it was happening but did not care.
    It is not about the food, it is not about the numbers……….I know……….however it is a way to cope, a way to survive (which is not true, but at the time it feels like it is) a way to control when all else in your life fails/ is falling apart.

    The underlying triggers include low self esteem, perfectionism, over achieving, depression, abuse, neglect, financial worries, relationship issues, major changes in life (work, home, death) Feelings of worthlessness, not able to love, not allowed to be happy, born to be bad…….

    The scale, my best friend, my worst enemy. I hate it, but can’t live without it. Even when I manage to not weigh myself, I will, subconsciously, find ways to measure myself.
    I know it is not about the numbers, yet they trigger me, even knowing that at my lowest weight I still felt fat and ugly……..while in fact I was very close to being dead because of my weight lose………some how there is always ED’s little voice in the back of my head saying……….don’t do this, don’t eat that, look at yourself, you are so fat, you are a failure……..I can go on and on and on

    I know that out there in the real world there are triggers, I see them every day. Some days I handle them okay, other days everything triggers me.
    Seeing images of thin people, celebrities, they trigger me. Learning that a friend with an eating disorder has lost XX amount of pounds, will trigger me, it will wake ED up and he will be ready to start the competition……..and I might not be able to stop.

    It is a vicious circle, it is confusing to others, to friends, to myself even.

    Cat has taught me so much, and has shown me the way to poetry :)
    Numbers why do I even care
    it seems so odd and so unfair
    It is not about the numbers, not at all
    it is just the way I cope and play the ball

    Numbers seem to be the way to deal
    while truly hiding what I feel
    It is a way to avoid the pain
    a way to survive, just that plain

    Numbers I can focus on
    on and on, never gone
    But really it is not about that
    I know that, but somehow I forget

    Numbers are just numbers
    that is really, all just barriers
    obstacles on my path
    towards the inner truth and deal with that

    (c) Hope ~ sept. 2007

  25. ***looks at floor***

  26. ***Hands WNile nail polish…gives him hug…then holds out hand for nail polishin’ ***

    “Please leave money on counter, take change when applicable, be honest”
    (if that quote ain’t right Dante,….it’s cause AC txt it to me…so it’s her fault) *shifty*

  27. So much of that makes so much sense that it scares the hell out of me.

    You’re a really strong, brave woman, and I’m praying that you can heal… *hugs*

    BTW, I’m a firm believer that while some childhood incidents can damage a child for life, not everyone with a “problem” had a bad childhood. I heard a comedian once that really struck a chord with me, and I laughed so hard…he was talking about all the people on talk shows that complained about their childhoods, and how it’d be nice just once to have someone say “Ya know what? Mom was great, Dad was great, I’m just a shithead!”

    I think a lot of what makes us “us” is hardwired, and nothing anyone could have done in our formative years will make that go away. What we choose to do with it as we mature is what makes us a success or failure…and I think you’re on the road to sucess just by being so brutally honest with yourself.

    I’m so glad I found this site…thank you!!

  28. Kandy….I agree with a lot of what you said. It took me until recently to realize that some problems have nothing to do with Mom or Dad. I learned this the hard way by finally permitting myself to remove all the guilt and blame that I’ve been carrying around about my own daughter ,who is both anorexic and bulimic. I’ve posted about it here. And, the funny things is that since I have refused to carry the blame for the choices that she is making in her adult life, she is making more progress. It’s kinda like….I’m not her target for throwing shit at anymore and she’s put on her big girl panties and is finally dealing with her own problems.
    Thanks for the comment.

    And, yes, our little “d” is strong and smart!

  29. Wow….. so I am not the only 34 year old struggling with anorexia (and feeling ridiculous that I am behaving like some 15 year old junkie)
    And it’s not about attention or vanity, it’s something I just can’t put my finger on.
    And the hunger, how passionately i love to be empty, how I hate the pain.

  30. Hi jojo……anorexia has no age limit. It’s about self esteem and control. Hope you keep coming back here. Maybe, you’ll share some of your experiences. We are honest about our problems here and encourage others to open up as well.

  31. Hi TPB
    It’s so good to be able to admit it finally. I have been in hatred with my body since as long as I can remember - i don’t know if I even want to be thin anymore - just happy with myslef no matter how I look - that’s my aim!

    Deep down I know that no matter how thin I am - I am not satisfied, I am never thin-enough, I am never happy with that vision in the goddam mirror.

    My freedom will come when I can like what I see, whatever I see - maybe when Ilike the inside too…..

    Others love me - my husband, my friends, so why don’t I?

    I love the control - the achievement of hours without food (days….), the growling of my tummy, the pride when I turn down food. I love the sensation of not being hungry, of convincing myself that no food=good girl. But I hate it too - I hate being so selfish and of being so obsessed - I watch people eat (people I consider thinner than me) and wonder how they do it - how do they eat and not be fat, when I eat and I am like a whale? How do people live day to day surrounded by food and not feel threatened and scared by it?

    SO much more I could write, now that I have finally found a place to talk,. Thank you.

  32. jojo….so glad to see ya here.

    Come back soon!!!!!

  33. **added a link to some naming contest they had back in Feb*
    it’s at the end of the post.

    Found it on one of those chasing link-after-link-after link things.
    *for the pants*

    ;)

  34. Going through the comments here again. Just re-reading.

    The “don’t get it stuff”
    Today I get something.
    I think today on the outside I’m screaming.
    Not one god-damned fucking simple thing, huh?
    Fuckit-I’ll post about it later.

  35. What do you NEED to say, ((((((d))))))))?

  36. I should not post late at night.
    (Especially here ya know?)
    Plus; Things come out weird when I do.
    Maybe people will get this for now.

    I have become Criss Angel or something. Maybe even
    better than he is. not better looking-hey, when I lose my
    sense of lust, you’ll know I’m beyond hope

    Regarding the people I see on a regular to semi-regular
    basis:
    I’ve managed to literally (evidently) make
    everything around me vanish.
    Objects, words, actions ect.
    Not just me-everything.
    …the thing is, how did I react when I realized this?
    I did this, “pffft” I didn’t feel a thing. All I did was notice it.
    Like the circle was complete. I’m not the only thing
    invisible-everything concerning me now is too.

    I’m not pissed, or hurt..nothing. I even tried to be…just
    to test it out. So maybe my outside is doin it for me.
    *That’s my self analysis for the day*

  37. I know what you mean…. like there is this invisible shield up around you… can you walk around and even talk around… and nobody seems to notice you? You created that, but HOW does it work so well…

    I’m friggin’ invisible… how do I do that so well….

    I’m shrinkin’ away… and not just my exterior… I’m shrinkin’ on the inside too… where I live… and nobody notices me anymore… even the things I have to say don’t mean anything anymore…

    I’m afraid I’ll die with nothing notable said… that’s my greatest fear.

    cause, believe it or not… I have important things to say… I do.

    don’t you?

  38. I saw this last night & thought about it.

    I used to think I did. (Have things to say)
    Some days I still do-those days are few
    and far between now. Mostly I have nothing
    positive to say.
    Who wants to hear my negative shit?

    So then I started grasping at straws:
    “ok d, what would you tell your kids?”
    Well…I could fill notebooks with
    advice, hind sighted shit of a list
    of things not to do.
    “Mom’s book-o-failures”
    Then I realized that most of the important
    things could be summed up in a few movie quotes
    from back when movies were funny(er)

    Here’s one:

    “Be excellent to each other.
    - Party on, dudes. “

    Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure

    Think that sums it up.

    *******************************

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